Because I don't want to live without a sound system in Brunnhilde I planned to swap out the existing CDE-133BT with the newly arrive CDE-143BT. The plan would only work if the two connectors are compatible. I noted that there are difference in the interface interconnect in the previous post. I concluded that these are immaterial in how I wired in Brunnhilde. The second potential problem is if the connector dimensions are different. Owing to the substantial relationship of the two models I wager that Alpine has little reason to change the connector. It was just an educated guess on my part.
The devil is in the details. When the new-to-me CDE-143BT arrived, I carefully compared the wiring diagrams and the physical connectors between the two units. As in my original expectation the only difference in the connectors is that the refresh model (CDE-143BT) omitted the Audio Interrupt In (the pink/black wire) on the connector. Since I didn't use this signal in Brunnhilde's installation I can safely swap the head unit without bothering to replace the connector harness (which would be a bit of a hassle).
connectivity diagrams of CDE-133BT (left) and CDE-143BT (right)
Brunnhilde is the only vehicle that I installed a subwoofer and added preamp/subwoofer outputs in the newer model would be a godsend for her.
As I wrote in the previous post car audio system has evolved significantly in the last two decades. It is very difficult to find a poorly designed or made unit if you stick with the name brands. Yet the irony is the demand for aftermarket automotive audio system had virtually collapsed. You can pick up a great head unit for under $100 USD that outperforms a system two decades ago that costed $1000. By the system I mean you will need a CD changer and an amplifier to be equivalent with the head unit that cost around $100 today.
For me I have always prefer Alpine because it never join the herd in racing to the bottom. It has always take the high road with subdued styling as well as the feature set. There were a period Sony too made car audio components that were subdued but all when to hell when the firm started the Xplod series.
a Sony Xplod head unit
I mentioned in my previous post that Alpine kept the street price of the new model the same as the previous model. When I went and look for the proof of purchase I found that I was wrong. The street price of the new CDE-143BT is $149.99 while the previous CDE-133BT was $129.99. A whopping $20 collapse of ASP (average sale price) of two successive models! How does Alpine do it? Without opening the units to compare side by side here are few things that Alpine did without making the new model less desirable. Actually there are few improvements!
CDE-143BT added crease to the sheet metal for strength; the signal identification label is bigger for improved legibility; evidently the engineer managed to shave off bit of aluminum off the heat sink
frontal view - now much different but you can see the added creased of the sheet metal and the slight reduction of aluminum off the heat sink
the engineers had to move the interconnect quite substantially; the new model added two RCA connectors
the sheet metal on the side is virtually identical
on the front there is depiction of how the removable face plate is to be inserted
the carton of the new model is slightly smaller to shave a few pennies off
the new CDE-143BT model has reduce the silver accent on the face plate - having now seen it powered on i actually find it quite pleasing while less handsome than the previous model
For commodity consumer electronics like car audio a $20 drop in street price of a $149.99 item over 2 years make the word collapsed almost inappropriate. May be I should say the prices had tanked. No amount of value engineering and lowering of manufacturing cost can recover a whopping loss of 13% drop of ASP. I reckon that Alpine may shaved $1 off with the changes I identified. They are out $19 in just 2 years.
Alpine engineers have made incremental changes to the face plate. The new display is narrower but taller so it retains the same amount of information. As a result many buttons are enlarged due to the area gained of the higher aspect display (a gain from previously wasted space below the display). You can see that the main jog dial has shifted to the right to make room for larger buttons left of it.
the old CDE-133BT is hands down prettier for more coherent appearance and judicious use of silver accent
There are two other subtle changes. The black outer plastic trim ring around the cavity the face plate has been enlarged slightly on the new model to beef up against the inevitable struggle when one need to remove it to remove the head unit from the vehicle. For some reason Alpine remove the loudness on/off setting choice and replace it with defeat on/off. I personally prefer to have the loudness option over defeat of the 3 -band equalizer.
Without changing any electrical connections and keeping the old harness, I swapped in the newly arrived CDE-143BT in Brunnhilde and everything works. The unit now re-pairs with my iDevices and even resume with the A/V app. In the balance CDE-143BT is a worthy successor to the original model. As always in the incremental evolution you gain some and you loose some.
At the mean time I sent in the CDE-133BT that gave me error code 0000 to Alpine for update. When it return it would go into Isolde to replace a three-component audio system (head unit, CD changer, and amplifier)
When I was in stores lately seeing all the offering of Bluetooth head units offered by many brands, what stand out are the substantial similarity of feature sets. More importantly are the more the less the same physical arrangement of the face plates, as well as the design of the rear panel. It make me wonder how many of the brands utilize the same design houses and manufacturers (ODMs).
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ReplyDeleteReally good comparison and analysis.This time I would like your help. I accidentally updated my US version with the European firmware. The unit does not turn on at first. Then I disconnected it completely, and it is constantly displaying now "Updating..." even if I insert the CD again.
ReplyDeleteI am not living in the US or a place where there is a repair center. ANy trick will be appreciated.
Thank you,
Maxime M
I understand your problem. I once nearly did the firmware update by mistake not realizing it is European version. According to Alpine once you done it you are a kind of screwed. I believe you will have to send it into an Alpine repair center. I recommend you call them first so not to waste shipping cost. p.s. the US Alpine repair center will only service units that were brought from authorized retailers.
ReplyDeleteThank you again for your precious help. I recently bought that used car with the radio. I do not have the receipt neither I do not know where it was purchased. I guess that I only have Plan B now: GARBAGE.
ReplyDeleteI will tape it for YouTube so everyone can see what the sulution is. (I will drop the link here on your website). This is disappointing. I never thought that an expensive and really cool car radio could be messed up so easilly. They have thousands of complaints of that kind.
I appreciate your help buddy.
Have a nice day!
I wanted to buy a used CDE-133BT (really used for cheap price) and use my detachable face with it. That might be the Plan B. (Garbage is Plan C).
ReplyDeletePlan D: Do you think that I could use the detachable face on a 135 or 143BT?
Expertise needed: What other radio of the same kind would you recommend a victim like me. A victim that will not spend too much but wants the same features as the CDE-133BT?
I just think of one other thing, which may or not help, thought I am not hopeful. Did you try to reset the unit? Removing the face plate there is a hole on the main unit to reset it. You need a paper clip or toothpick to reach in. I wonder if you have the US firmware on a CD inserted the unit might try to restore from the image on the CD. Alpine USA published a firmware update before but you may have trouble locating it online now.
ReplyDeleteI would not count on the face plates of the 133 and 143 being interchangeable.
You can find used 133 for around $99, but do risk getting one of the older built and cannot do the BT firmware update without sending into Alpine like one of my unit.
I already tried to reset it manually using the red reset button. Still does not work.
ReplyDeleteI tried to install the US firmware version. The message is still "update fail".
I tried a USB to USB cable connecting the head unit to a laptop. Powered or not, it is not working.
Thank you for your advice. We can feel that you are an expert when we read your statements about the subject. If in the meanwhile you have more ideas, please let mw know. I will keep you informed.
Many thanks.
I think that I am getting the Pioneer DEHX6600B. To me they look having the same features. Can you lool at it?
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